tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1691205078500083881.post8159738519271056277..comments2024-03-09T21:28:30.555-05:00Comments on Special Education Law Blog: Special Education Law 101 - Part VIIIJim Gerlhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12482331907215552507noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1691205078500083881.post-46555290883317550332012-11-06T10:58:56.104-05:002012-11-06T10:58:56.104-05:00Mary,
Your mind is probably more subtle than mine...Mary,<br /><br />Your mind is probably more subtle than mine (Actually I get that a lot)<br /><br />The way I see it , the focus should be upon what happens to the kid, regardless of what we call it. Very few courts or hos find transition efforts to be inadequate, perhaps because the result or outcome depends upon both the school and other agencies/persons. <br /><br />I'll have to think more about this, but i really appreciate your explanation as it is the first time anyone has tried to answer thios question for me.<br /><br />Thanks,<br /><br />JGJim Gerlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12482331907215552507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1691205078500083881.post-34566178901219963382012-11-05T11:43:40.295-05:002012-11-05T11:43:40.295-05:00I have always explained the difference as this:
1...I have always explained the difference as this:<br /><br />1. outcomes = The way a thing turns out; a consequence: <br />2. results = A consequence, effect, or outcome of something <br /> <br />Both are nouns but a subtle difference is that with results we are looking at the inputs (i.e. the "something") that the school provides that lead to progress toward the goals, but with outcomes we were looking at the end result as a measure without consideration of what the school did to influence those outcomes (did it happen or not).<br /><br />I would be interested in knowing your thoughts on my minor distinctions.<br /><br />Mary <br /> <br />ItsMomma2Uhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06377859999847763536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1691205078500083881.post-60996673901183889872012-11-03T12:11:58.328-04:002012-11-03T12:11:58.328-04:00Thanks HSTB,
You make some good points.
I still ...Thanks HSTB,<br /><br />You make some good points.<br /><br />I still don't get the difference between outcome and results, but it's probably the legal training getting in the way!<br /><br />JGJim Gerlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12482331907215552507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1691205078500083881.post-4402033598576752882012-11-03T11:52:33.996-04:002012-11-03T11:52:33.996-04:00Post-secondary “Outcomes” are predictions of succe...Post-secondary “Outcomes” are predictions of success after the student exits high school AND successfully completes the NEXT step. Results are measured growth from individual activities such as instruction or training. The school system is held accountable for student growth, not outcomes. Excellent instruction and informed planning produce growth towards an outcome. Why can’t we hold a high school district responsible for a student who doesn’t reach their PS outcome?<br />We have always known there are environmental effects on learning: health, nutrition, nurturing, etc… Because of these few issues, outside of the control of the local school district, we do not hold districts solely responsible for a student's success or failure. Additionally, the new stressors today are significant and real. Factors that decrease and even prohibit growth in learning now include the recession, political apathy, redefining the American dream, increased access to drugs and alcohol, and increasingly - technology (adverse effect of the screener generation facing todays youth). <br />As students exit our systems, participating in an education based on College Readiness for all (their parent’ and government’s dream, not theirs), we are experiencing surges of college dropouts. Is that really, also, the responsibility of the high schools? Colleges are blaming high schools for not preparing the youth, and not their admission policies, which now accept those who would have never been accepted for institutions of Higher Learning before this surge. If you want College for all, then support the whole Bell Curve in your colleges. Finally, outcomes should be based on assessments-what can they do? …and what standards or skills does a student want to learn and master, and not what piece of paper they want (diploma, certificate, degree...), what building they want to attend (college, university, technical school...) , or what is their dream job. Those have no standard definition.<br />HS Trans Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14888484919311761284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1691205078500083881.post-16108631937974171672012-11-03T11:37:03.789-04:002012-11-03T11:37:03.789-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.HS Trans Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14888484919311761284noreply@blogger.com